IT has been more than a decade since Malaysia last got past the group stage of the Uber Cup.
And local badminton fans are growing impatient over the same old narrative that the team are young and being groomed for the future.
While it is not entirely false, just how much more time does Malaysia really need?
On Tuesday, Malaysia's Uber Cup challenge once again ended in the group stage following two defeats to Denmark and Thailand and one consolation win over minnows Egypt in Group C.
Do note that at the previous edition in Aarhus, Denmark, Malaysia finished last in the group, even recording a humiliating 4-1 defeat to Canada.
BA of Malaysia (BAM) coaching director Rexy Mainaky said the rot must be stopped.
Identifying several issues in the women's department, the Indonesian legend told Timesport: "A total overhaul is needed for our women's team.
"There is no power, no determination, and no confidence. We need to change the players' mindset. Most of them are mere spectators.
"For the doubles players, they cannot remain in the shadows of Pearly Tan- M. Thinaah.
"Honestly, we should have won against Denmark on the first day, but we lost because of our poor experience in team events."
The former Olympic champion is well aware of the frustration from the fans but has asked for some patience as he and his coaching staff look at ways to boost the women's team.
"We the coaches and the players must be willing to push for a breakthrough. And we must push hard.
"At the moment, most of our players' rankings are far behind some of the best. We need to improve on that first before we can see results," he added.
Earlier, singles coaching director Wong Choong Hann noted some positives from young debutantes, especially 19-year-old Myisha Khairul, Tan Zhing Yi, 18, and Chan Wen Tse, 17.